tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5409242456356117499.post4369067020324426126..comments2023-06-15T02:49:15.916-04:00Comments on Shakespeare in a Year: Discussion: Early Narrative PoemsAshleyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17084203792889446528noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5409242456356117499.post-32614122132867061402010-08-05T13:09:33.823-04:002010-08-05T13:09:33.823-04:00I was watching The Muppet Show yesterday and notic...I was watching The Muppet Show yesterday and noticed a similarity between Miss Piggy-Kermit and Venus-AdonisKarynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5409242456356117499.post-53425487967428907912010-08-01T18:54:18.070-04:002010-08-01T18:54:18.070-04:00(And if I may be so bold as to make a small correc...(And if I may be so bold as to make a small correction - the villain of "Lucrece" is the son, Sextus, not the king, Lucius Tarquinius.)Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556507663827543357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5409242456356117499.post-43375752835165884412010-08-01T18:06:12.187-04:002010-08-01T18:06:12.187-04:00I am still looking forward to re-reading Lucrece (...I am still looking forward to re-reading Lucrece (which I read many years ago and found very powerful) - and was surprised by the "Venus," which was new to me. One of the most interesting moments I found in it was the passage in which Adonis looks at her askance and basically says "THAT isn't Love! You're just talking about lust. And I'm not interested." Rather backward from our modern-day assumptions about men & women. Ancient Greco-Roman thought (and Hebrew and early Christian thought) saw them the other way around, as reflected in this poem. I wonder when we shifted? What was the more typical view in Shakespeare's time? Venus? or Lucrece?<br />While I appreciate feminist criticism, I am certainly far from well-versed. But I am always concerned to see whether the critique comes from applying 21st century norms to 16th century texts, or whether the text can be critiqued within the norms of the world within which it was written. I don't know what sort of commentary would result on these two poems, but it would be VERY interesting indeed!Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07556507663827543357noreply@blogger.com